Comments on: Branchentalk http://randgaenge.net/2006/branchentalk/2196/ thomas n. burg - on social media, software tools and its benefits for us, and sometimes gossip. Fri, 15 May 2009 06:20:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: Thomas N. Burg http://randgaenge.net/2006/branchentalk/2196/comment-page-1/#comment-4595 Thomas N. Burg Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:36:19 +0000 http://randgaenge.net/2006/09/16/branchentalk/#comment-4595 Excellent points! Thanks for supporting this quest beyond the hype. Excellent points!
Thanks for supporting this quest beyond the hype.

]]> By: Joerg http://randgaenge.net/2006/branchentalk/2196/comment-page-1/#comment-4594 Joerg Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:27:36 +0000 http://randgaenge.net/2006/09/16/branchentalk/#comment-4594 I had a similar discussion at an OCG-group called "HCI4EDU" yesterday (http://www.ocg.at/ueber-uns/arbeitskreise/usability/news.html). Thomas Ebner (Technical University of Graz) talked about Web 2.0 applications used as elearning tools at the university. He pointed out that if the tools are not integrated into existing processes, nobody will use them... Example: The main goal of students is not to learn but to get a certificate. If tools like Wikis or blogs are not integrated nobody writes or edits entries. But integrating these tools means to think about the whole concept of learning at universities ... I think that this is where the real challenge lies. I had a similar discussion at an OCG-group called “HCI4EDU” yesterday (http://www.ocg.at/ueber-uns/arbeitskreise/usability/news.html).
Thomas Ebner (Technical University of Graz) talked about Web 2.0 applications used as elearning tools at the university. He pointed out that if the tools are not integrated into existing processes, nobody will use them…

Example:
The main goal of students is not to learn but to get a certificate. If tools like Wikis or blogs are not integrated nobody writes or edits entries. But integrating these tools means to think about the whole concept of learning at universities …
I think that this is where the real challenge lies.

]]> By: Thomas N. Burg http://randgaenge.net/2006/branchentalk/2196/comment-page-1/#comment-4589 Thomas N. Burg Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:20:07 +0000 http://randgaenge.net/2006/09/16/branchentalk/#comment-4589 Markus thanks for your feedback, I tried to get back to the topic since I think the most important aspect in innovative times (all the time) is to translate so that the mainstream is able to benefit. The language of innovations needs to be translated into well known workflows, metaphors. Especially corporations take a longer period of time to adapt to new metaphors, workflows and applications. It's more helpful to be careful and respectful when implementing innovative application. Saying that I mean that the should def. take advantage but not necessarily at the expense of well-running processes in favor of "disruptive" projects. Markus thanks for your feedback,
I tried to get back to the topic since I think the most important aspect in innovative times (all the time) is to translate so that the mainstream is able to benefit.

The language of innovations needs to be translated into well known workflows, metaphors. Especially corporations take a longer period of time to adapt to new metaphors, workflows and applications. It’s more helpful to be careful and respectful when implementing innovative application. Saying that I mean that the should def. take advantage but not necessarily at the expense of well-running processes in favor of “disruptive” projects.

]]> By: Markus http://randgaenge.net/2006/branchentalk/2196/comment-page-1/#comment-4586 Markus Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:30:59 +0000 http://randgaenge.net/2006/09/16/branchentalk/#comment-4586 Hi Thomas, I followed your discussion on Sept 19, and fortunately you kept to the main topic - web 2.0 in an enterprise context. I think this matter is particularly interesting from a knowledge-sharing perspective. There are a number of quite good apps existing in the consumer world, but how can they create value for an enterprise user? E.g. why doesn't Flickr simply create an Enterprise Flickr software package, that can be placed on the Intranet. Lots of people would love to change out their existing apps. A question for discussion: who thinks that the companies who today run Flickr, Delicious, and alike are clever enough that they create their own Enterprise apps, or will it be people like you (this is how I understand your Soc.SW labs) who will make companies happy? // Markus Hi Thomas,

I followed your discussion on Sept 19, and fortunately you kept to the main topic – web 2.0 in an enterprise context.
I think this matter is particularly interesting from a knowledge-sharing perspective. There are a number of quite good apps existing in the consumer world, but how can they create value for an enterprise user? E.g. why doesn’t Flickr simply create an Enterprise Flickr software package, that can be placed on the Intranet. Lots of people would love to change out their existing apps.

A question for discussion: who thinks that the companies who today run Flickr, Delicious, and alike are clever enough that they create their own Enterprise apps, or will it be people like you (this is how I understand your Soc.SW labs) who will make companies happy?

// Markus

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